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Old 08-18-2008, 09:40 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Well, the situation is getting worse. Do any of ya'll think the tension could bring forth... WWIII?
World Wars start in the Balkans.
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Old 08-19-2008, 12:27 AM   #17 (permalink)
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This situation is a mess and I believe i understand what is happening here. A few territories wanted to be their own nation or be apart of russia. Then Russia attacked then. Georgia wanted to be part of NATO which again the Russians did not like.

From what I can gather I see no reason why russia had to attack those territorys except russia did not want them to be in NATO.
I only hope this does not escelate
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Old 08-19-2008, 12:29 AM   #18 (permalink)
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They wanted to send a message to other pro-west nations like Ukraine because Russia once had a foot hold on these nations but is losing it.
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Old 08-19-2008, 12:30 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Russia seriously needs to back off. If this gets to the point where the UN has to send a peacekeeper unit over there, we're all screwed.
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Old 08-19-2008, 01:14 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Russia should just mind their own business. Thats all i have to say
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:10 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Communism should be obliterated first of all... but since we can't do that without taking military action, we'll just have to leave it be.
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:13 PM   #22 (permalink)
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You know what will happen in the next 5 years. Someone would come back to this and say you remember Georgia? Next guy would say, Georgia who? That's it, Russia will have it nothing more.

Something must of happen, someone must of killed someone and pissed off Putin.
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:33 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Well one thing is for sure, Georgia is a goner.
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Isn't Russia evacuating and taking some hostages
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GORI, Georgia (Reuters) - Russian troops will pull back from Georgia's heartland by the end of this week, the Kremlin said on Tuesday, but NATO said it was freezing contacts with Moscow until all Russian forces were out of the country.
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Western powers, led by the United States, have called for an immediate withdrawal of Russian troops under a ceasefire plan that ended the two countries' short war over the rebel Georgian province of South Ossetia.

NATO ministers, meeting in emergency session in Brussels, backed this demand by suspending regular contacts with Russia. But they did not announce moves to speed up Georgian accession to the Western military alliance, as Tbilisi had hoped.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told a news conference NATO's response to the conflict was biased, and accused NATO of siding with a "criminal regime" in Tbilisi.

The tensions were mirrored at the United Nations, where Western powers pressed the Security Council to adopt a resolution calling for an immediate Russian withdrawal. Moscow, which holds veto power, said it could not support it.

Earlier, the Kremlin quoted Russian President Dmitry Medvedev as saying that Russian forces would pull back by August 22 to the positions set out under the French-brokered ceasefire.

That would require most of them to withdraw to Russia or South Ossetia, but parts of the force, under the terms of the deal, will remain in a buffer zone around the breakaway region.

"By 22 August ... a part of the peacekeepers will be pulled back to the temporary security zone," a Kremlin statement quoted Medvedev as telling French President Nicolas Sarkozy in a telephone conversation.

"The remaining contingent that was used to reinforce the peacekeepers will be pulled back to the territory of South Ossetia and to Russia," the statement said.

Medvedev told Sarkozy he agreed to the presence of observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe in the buffer zone, Sarkozy's office said in a separate statement.

U.S. officials said they had not seen any substantial withdrawal of Russian troops so far.

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In Gori, a strategic town on Georgia's main east-west highway, six Russian armored personnel carriers, three tanks and two other vehicles started their engines and drove out through the sun-scorched countryside, kicking up clouds of dust.

"This is one of the first units to be pulled out," said an official from Russia's Foreign Ministry, which arranged for reporters to watch the column leave.

But close by, Russian troops could be seen digging trenches near artillery positions. Shirtless paratroopers sunbathed in the street on civilian sofas and couches.

Later on Tuesday a Reuters reporter, traveling on the main road used by Russian troops to enter Georgia, saw little traffic heading out of Georgia and no evidence of a large-scale pullout.

"The Russians time and again move their tanks to Tskhinvali (the South Ossetian capital) from Gori and then back again. I categorically deny this amounts to a withdrawal," said Shota Utiashvili, an official at Georgia's Interior Ministry.

Conflict erupted over separatist South Ossetia when Georgia sent in its army to try to take back the pro-Moscow province on August 7-8, provoking a huge counter-attack from Russia.

Stepping up Russian pressure on Tbilisi, Moscow closed its land border with Georgia to citizens who are not from the CIS, a grouping of former Soviet states that Georgia's parliament voted last week to leave.

The head of Russia's main domestic FSB spy service, Alexander Bortnikov, ordered extra security to foil what he said was a plan by Georgian security to carry out "terrorist acts" inside Russia. Georgia dismissed the accusation as "nonsense."

Air, rail and sea links between Russia and its former Soviet vassal have already been cut. The virtual blockade has hurt Georgia's economy, which depends heavily on Russia.

Western powers have condemned Russia's response as disproportionate, while Moscow says it is necessary to protect Russian citizens and Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia and prevent Georgia carrying out "genocide."

The Russian military campaign has been popular at home but has worsened already bad relations with Washington.

Russia's navy cancelled a September visit by a U.S. frigate, after Washington decided last week to pull out of a four-nation naval exercise with Russia in the Pacific.

PRESSURE ON SAAKASHVILI

Saakashvili accuses Russia of trying to sabotage his leadership and Georgian democracy.

But Russia's Lavrov said restrictions imposed by Saakashvili's government on Russian news media and Internet sites cast doubt on Georgia's right to call itself a democracy.

"You can probably judge objectively for yourselves the state of Georgian democracy and who is trying to wreck it," Lavrov said. He added that Russia had no plans to occupy Georgia or annex parts of its territory.

But Russian checkpoints now block the main east-west highway, a vital trade route that links Tbilisi with Turkey and Georgia's Black Sea ports. Russian soldiers have also moved into towns in western Georgia, controlling traffic and movement.

Russian forces said they had detained 20 "heavily armed" Georgians in the Black Sea port of Poti. A Reuters cameraman saw several blindfolded men being put into Russian armored personnel carriers.

(Additional reporting by Margarita Antidze in Igoeti, Ralph Boulton in Tbilisi, Patrick Worsnip in New York, Aydar Buribaev and Christian Lowe in Moscow; writing by Michael Stott and Christian Lowe in Moscow; editing by Mark Trevelyan)
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Old 08-20-2008, 02:12 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Did someone remove my WHY SO SRS?

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Old 08-20-2008, 03:06 AM   #27 (permalink)
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^probably because its in bad taste to make fun of people dieing?
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Old 08-20-2008, 08:14 AM   #28 (permalink)
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^ Nah, I bet it's because of the new X3E rules. We can't have as much fun as we used to.

In your user cp in your reputation comments, calo, does it say please don't spam?
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